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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3528</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G: &quot;doomstead&quot;! Love that term!  We never figured we would be profitable or debt free - built this place in 1995 within the usual context of a place to live.  Its certainly not going to be debt free any time soon unless I win the lottery! Thanks for writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G: &#8220;doomstead&#8221;! Love that term!  We never figured we would be profitable or debt free &#8211; built this place in 1995 within the usual context of a place to live.  Its certainly not going to be debt free any time soon unless I win the lottery! Thanks for writing!</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3524</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain.  This is the reason I&#039;ve hesitated in buying a house this year.  Homesteading only really pay off when you are debt free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain.  This is the reason I&#8217;ve hesitated in buying a house this year.  Homesteading only really pay off when you are debt free.</p>
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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3005</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt get a sense at all that you were speaking light, no worries!

I definitely would encourage you on the nursery and perma design company - will be demand in future and your region has special challenges!

Just sent you an email re: transition towns</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt get a sense at all that you were speaking light, no worries!</p>
<p>I definitely would encourage you on the nursery and perma design company &#8211; will be demand in future and your region has special challenges!</p>
<p>Just sent you an email re: transition towns</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxTech</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3004</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing, Nika.  What you described is just about exactly how I imagined your situation, 21st century skills and all,  and I didn&#039;t mean to speak light of the predicament.  I just figured you were brain deep in considering it all so I didn&#039;t want to say too much or try throwing advice at you when I am sure that is in no short supply either.  

I know from your posts here that you are facing the possibility of that massive change in reality.  I can only imagine what it must be like to be in such a situation with so many lives in your responsibility.    Yet, what I had meant was, you are in better shape facing such a change, having both your homesteading and 21st century skills than not having them...I hope anyway.

For myself, it has always just been me so getting by on nothing is not really so worrisome.  This is starting to change now as I have realized my parents are aging and I am aware of how soon the support system may crumble, leaving children to eventually care for parents as things used to be.  I do not think that either my brother or sister have accepted the reality of or started to prepare for the world that is coming soon.  

I suppose that in the back of my head has also been a knowledge that I could always go back to the farm.  But you are right, times are very different from the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s when I was growing up there.  In addition, due to the land sale we only have access to the lion&#039;s share of field land for another 2 years after this one.  This means planning a significant shift in operations in order to recoup lost income.  Not that they have been farming that land heavily for a few years anyway, but I could have gone back to increased acreage sown or more head of livestock raised.  However, due to location I think there is good potential for intensified production through starting a diverse nursery/permacultural design company.  The nursery would mean some debt tho, but I think food production debt is going to be worth it.

I wish I had a job to offer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, Nika.  What you described is just about exactly how I imagined your situation, 21st century skills and all,  and I didn&#8217;t mean to speak light of the predicament.  I just figured you were brain deep in considering it all so I didn&#8217;t want to say too much or try throwing advice at you when I am sure that is in no short supply either.  </p>
<p>I know from your posts here that you are facing the possibility of that massive change in reality.  I can only imagine what it must be like to be in such a situation with so many lives in your responsibility.    Yet, what I had meant was, you are in better shape facing such a change, having both your homesteading and 21st century skills than not having them&#8230;I hope anyway.</p>
<p>For myself, it has always just been me so getting by on nothing is not really so worrisome.  This is starting to change now as I have realized my parents are aging and I am aware of how soon the support system may crumble, leaving children to eventually care for parents as things used to be.  I do not think that either my brother or sister have accepted the reality of or started to prepare for the world that is coming soon.  </p>
<p>I suppose that in the back of my head has also been a knowledge that I could always go back to the farm.  But you are right, times are very different from the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s when I was growing up there.  In addition, due to the land sale we only have access to the lion&#8217;s share of field land for another 2 years after this one.  This means planning a significant shift in operations in order to recoup lost income.  Not that they have been farming that land heavily for a few years anyway, but I could have gone back to increased acreage sown or more head of livestock raised.  However, due to location I think there is good potential for intensified production through starting a diverse nursery/permacultural design company.  The nursery would mean some debt tho, but I think food production debt is going to be worth it.</p>
<p>I wish I had a job to offer!</p>
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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-2995</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frost - OMG - I knew you had it bad there but man - thats evil.  You definitely know our pain.

The pathway to some sort of financial solution is completely obscured to me.  Back in the &quot;olden days&quot; people passed their farms down and added a bit at a time (likely like the farm you are trying to save).

This meant that there was not an enormous debt to be managed (but there was still debt, new debt in the 20th century as farmers were forced to mechanize and not save seed and hyper-farm in ways that only made the bankers rich).

Before the time of the later industrial modern age of Big Ag, one could balance on farm productivity with possible off farm supplementation..

Its really honestly difficult to see how that can happen now without a massive change in the realities of our lives (eg: relocalization so that my goat cheese is not competing with Big Ag cheese from California, and other ways I find hard to visualize).

We are not a farm, we are a homestead. I dont expect to make profit - just wholesome food for us.  It doesnt work without my working tho.

When I was referring to skills I wasnt actually thinking about my ability to trim goat hooves or midwife a kid or garden.  Those are labors of love for my family and the animals.

I have lots of 21st century skills (like writing, photography, graphics, speaking skills, knowledge of a broad array of sciences, etc) that do not add to my CV as a PhD cell biologist.. this is what is frustrating.

I had been hoping to find a &quot;green job&quot; but I cant seem to find any that would find my CV attractive.

Ok, there you go, way too much info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frost &#8211; OMG &#8211; I knew you had it bad there but man &#8211; thats evil.  You definitely know our pain.</p>
<p>The pathway to some sort of financial solution is completely obscured to me.  Back in the &#8220;olden days&#8221; people passed their farms down and added a bit at a time (likely like the farm you are trying to save).</p>
<p>This meant that there was not an enormous debt to be managed (but there was still debt, new debt in the 20th century as farmers were forced to mechanize and not save seed and hyper-farm in ways that only made the bankers rich).</p>
<p>Before the time of the later industrial modern age of Big Ag, one could balance on farm productivity with possible off farm supplementation..</p>
<p>Its really honestly difficult to see how that can happen now without a massive change in the realities of our lives (eg: relocalization so that my goat cheese is not competing with Big Ag cheese from California, and other ways I find hard to visualize).</p>
<p>We are not a farm, we are a homestead. I dont expect to make profit &#8211; just wholesome food for us.  It doesnt work without my working tho.</p>
<p>When I was referring to skills I wasnt actually thinking about my ability to trim goat hooves or midwife a kid or garden.  Those are labors of love for my family and the animals.</p>
<p>I have lots of 21st century skills (like writing, photography, graphics, speaking skills, knowledge of a broad array of sciences, etc) that do not add to my CV as a PhD cell biologist.. this is what is frustrating.</p>
<p>I had been hoping to find a &#8220;green job&#8221; but I cant seem to find any that would find my CV attractive.</p>
<p>Ok, there you go, way too much info!</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxTech</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-2978</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our system is certainly no longer appreciative of the non-specialized individual, nor of those who work so hard at truly productive, responsible lives.  It may well be very very hard for a time, but I think the talents you and your family are developing, the knowledge being gained and the new networks being built will eventually lead to some kind of stable comfort again.  

I also share the lament of a horribly short growing season.  We had frost last week...

Peace and comfort to you and yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our system is certainly no longer appreciative of the non-specialized individual, nor of those who work so hard at truly productive, responsible lives.  It may well be very very hard for a time, but I think the talents you and your family are developing, the knowledge being gained and the new networks being built will eventually lead to some kind of stable comfort again.  </p>
<p>I also share the lament of a horribly short growing season.  We had frost last week&#8230;</p>
<p>Peace and comfort to you and yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-2971</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - thanks!  You help me a lot with your TT initiative updates and progress, does the heart good :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; thanks!  You help me a lot with your TT initiative updates and progress, does the heart good <img src='http://peaknix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://peaknix.com/2009/06/30/coming-off-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-2970</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on in there, you are inspiring many of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on in there, you are inspiring many of us.</p>
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